Can Repentance Bring Healing?

Unlock the secrets to spiritual liberation with our fascinating guest, Beatty Carmichael, as we wrap up season four with a powerful exploration of strategic repentance. Inspired by Proverbs 28:13, we promise you'll discover how confronting past sins can lead to profound healing and newfound peace, liberating you from the chains of guilt.

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Chapters

• 0:00 Power of Strategic Repentance
• 13:14 Understanding Evil Spirits in Deliverance
• 22:14 Exploring Deliverance and Scripture Insights
• 32:17 Understanding Sin and Divine Protection
• 45:08 Creating a Prayer Community for Support

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Hey friends, what did you think of last week's episode? If you have no idea what I'm talking about, make sure you go back and listen before you listen to this one, because this is a two-parter again and you will be thoroughly confused if you don't start with last week's episode. My name is Anna Murby and I am the host of Honest Christian Conversations. If this is your first time, I am so glad you have chose to tune in. Make sure you go back to all of season four and listen to the amazing episodes, because we went in depth on many different topics and you are going to be blessed by all of that. This is the conclusion to last week's episode. This is the final, final, final episode of season four. Thank you so much to everybody who tuned in for this whole season. I appreciate you all. I'm praying for you all. Enjoy this conclusion to Beatty Carmichael's amazing episode on healing, deliverance and repentance. Let's get into it Before the episode starts. Make sure you follow the show so you never miss another episode.

Speaker 2: 1:25

So what I do is I guide people through what I call strategic repentance either ad hoc like what you and I did, okay, or a much more complete version that clears up a lot of stuff. And I'd like to read just one message. I teach in an addiction recovery center here in Alabama. If you know anything about people with addictions, it's not just a singular issue. There's all kinds of mental illness and chronic pain and addictions and relationship struggles and trauma, and I mean it's just like a cesspool of junk. So when I got through and tested it, I had the people write a story of what happened to them. This is one of those ladies. Her name is Catherine. She said I want to thank you for the prayer of freedom. It has changed my life.

Speaker 2: 2:12

Growing up, my relationship with my mom was really tough. She was abusive and she and my stepdad would drink and get into lots of fights. By the time I was in seventh grade, she said she didn't want anything to do with me and left. Can you imagine that as a seventh grade girl? That's when life began spiraling downward. By 16 years old I was having sex with lots of boys and started getting into drugs. That was just over 10 years ago.

Speaker 2: 2:38

Before doing this prayer, I was addicted to heroin and fentanyl and meth. I had a lot of worry and stress and anxiety. On a scale of 1 to 10, they were probably an 8. I've had constant allergies and sinus headaches for years, migraines five out of seven days a week and a super heavy feeling like I was carrying around an overweight backpack every day.

Speaker 2: 2:58

Life has really been difficult, but the prayer of freedom and repenting changed everything. Literally everything is gone. No more sinus issues All gone. No more headaches and migraines All gone. No more heaviness it's all gone. No more anxiety or stress or worries. Literally, on a scale of 1 to 10, they're all gone to zero. I don't want drugs anymore. I have no urges for them anymore and even the thought of any drug disgusts me. It's all gone and it can happen. I've had people go through this process in one day and it can happen quickly, just like with you. We pray for 10 minutes at most, maybe it's only seven. But significant changes, changes that medical science is impossible the doctors say is incurable. I've seen glaucoma disappear. I've seen arthritis leave. I've seen busted hips and busted knees mend. I've seen torn ligaments that the guy couldn't even stand now be instantly healed and he's doing deep knee bends. I've seen all kinds of things, everything that you read about in the book of Acts, other than raising the dead, I've seen through the prayer of freedom. It's really that amazing.

Speaker 1: 4:11

This reminds me of a verse that I've been learning. I've never said it out loud, so I'm hoping I can get it right, but I read it, I want to say. A couple days after we had our first call and I was still mulling over what exactly I thought about everything. And then this verse came while I was reading chapter 28 of Proverbs, verse 13. Seals his sin will not prosper, but the one who confesses and repents of them will find mercy. I can't remember what translation that was, but I want to say it was NLT. But as soon as I read that, that just hit me with what we had been through days before that, I felt that verse in a different way. Because I read Proverbs almost every day. Because there's 31 of them. I try to do one a day. I've been doing that fairly consistently for years. That verse never really stuck out to me before, but it stuck out to me then and I understood it in a different way because of what we went through with, what you helped me with. It was a powerful life-changing moment and that verse just kind of solidified that repentance is so much more than what we think it is. It's not just saying a blanket I'm sorry for my sins. Yes, god knows all your sins. Maybe you don't want to actually explain to him every single one because it's awkward for you or uncomfortable or it makes you feel bad, but perhaps sometimes we need to do that because some of the things we are inflicting on ourselves or some of the things we're feeling could potentially go away if we were to just let go of those burdens that we're holding on, like the woman said, like a heavy backpack. I mean, I do still feel so much lighter and I remember that I don't need to feel accused of anything that I had done in my past, because I had spoke it all out and I apologized to God specifically for things. So Satan can't touch me anymore in that subject matter. There's no accusing me. God already knows. I already told him I'm sorry and I've turned away from that. I'm free. I don't need to worry about whatever he might try to come at me with. So it's repentance. I'm seeing it in a whole new light and I'm seeing that it goes deeper than what we're told.

Speaker 1: 6:53

Just repent of your sins is such a vague statement that you would think that you know I did. I repented of my sins 20 years ago, but I still have wicked headaches all the time and you just think maybe it's the season and maybe it is. I mean, in New England we're having the craziest weather you could possibly have One minute it's warm, one minute it's snowing. That could potentially be it too. But why not give full repentance a try? Why not realize maybe you're harboring something against somebody? Just let it go Go to the foot of the cross, tell God you're sorry, ask him to forgive you for that unforgiveness and see what happens. Maybe the headache goes away, maybe it doesn't, but you're going to feel lighter.

Speaker 1: 7:39

When we were done and I was crying, you looked at me and you're like, you feel lighter, don't you? I said, yeah, I do, I felt lighter the whole day. I felt like I was on a cloud, I felt relaxed, I felt at peace, I was happier. I still feel that way, not 100% like I did that first time, but I'm more aware of if something's going on with me, if I'm feeling a negative emotion. I need to check myself and see is there something that I need to let go of, is there something I need to repent for?

Speaker 1: 8:10

And it reminds me of what you said about Job when we were talking, that he couldn't be accused by Satan because he had a constant posture of I need to repent or I should repent on someone else's behalf. He was constantly feeling that there's nothing wrong with that. It's not like you're going around groveling on the floor on your knees in sackcloth or whatever. You're not doing that, but you're constantly aware of the fact that you are a sinner in need of a Savior and you may have sins that you have not asked God for forgiveness of, and there's nothing wrong with asking him for forgiveness.

Speaker 1: 8:49

And once you do and once it's sincere, you don't have to keep asking him for forgiveness for that specifically if it was sincere. I mean, if you're still doing it and you have to keep asking there's another problem there have to keep asking, there's another problem there. But I don't need to constantly ask God to forgive me for what you and I did over that first phone call, because I have already been freed from it. I have already repented specifically for that. So if it comes back to my brain and I remember that I did that, it should just be a memory. It should not be a feeling guilt, it should not be feeling the same shame and everything, because I've been free from it and I feel what. I feel what she said in her testimony. That's awesome and, yeah, you feel so much lighter when you just let it go to God and I don't understand why more people don't get more specific with repentance.

Speaker 2: 9:47

So people don't get more specific with repentance because they don't understand the consequence. Let me connect some dots for everyone. Sin creates consequence. That consequence is torment in the form of sickness, pain and loss of physical capabilities, like lameness or glaucoma, things of that sort. I want to show you. I'm going to read from Psalm 32.

Speaker 2: 10:12

This is in LT, because it does a really good job. This is David. He says when I refuse to confess my sin Now, by the way, confess is the same thing as repent Okay, when I refuse to confess my sin, my body wasted away and I groaned all day long. This is not figurative, this is face value. His body was wasting away and he was in pain. He was groaning. This is a physical ailment and it's very painful. Day and night. Your hand of discipline was heavy on me.

Speaker 2: 10:42

So what we find is that the sickness that we go through is discipline due to unrepentant sin, and the way that we get rid of the discipline is we do what God said to do, which is repent. Jesus came preaching one message, that's it. Everything else falls under this one message Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand. When he sent his disciples out, two by two, into the villages and towns. He told them to preach one message repent. And if you don't repent, there is discipline. And what I'm found and you see it throughout the Bible once you start looking in this way is that the discipline is through physical ailments and sicknesses, everything that medical science says, oh, that's incurable. No, all you have to do is repent of the root, the sin root, and it goes instantly. So, day and night. Your hand of discipline was heavy on me. David says my strength evaporated like water in the summer heat. Reminds me of 1 Corinthians 15.

Speaker 2: 11:42

Paul is talking to the Christians who are taking communion in a sinful attitude, by not caring for the less fortunate, the poor. He said because you're doing that. This is why some of you are weak. Right here, my strength evaporated, they're weak. Paul continues some of you are sick and others of you have already died. These are acts of discipline due to sin. Then back on Psalm 32, verse 5. Finally, I confessed all my sins to you. I repented and stopped trying to hide my guilt. I said to myself I will confess my rebellion to the Lord and you forgave me. All my guilt is gone. So what we start to see is sin creates consequence, and that consequence is all these problems that we live with. I'm not saying 100% of every problem in our life is a sin root, but it's at least 90%, if not more. And can I blow your mind and be controversial real quick?

Speaker 1: 12:46

You already have, keep going.

Speaker 2: 12:49

The reason you felt lighter and the reason that issue, that chronic issue, hasn't returned because the demon or demons that were causing it left. When you feel lighter, it's actually a demon spirit. I want to read to you because now this goes well can Christians have demons? Different question from can Christians be demon-possessed? We'll touch on that if you want to. I want to read just a list.

Speaker 2: 13:16

This is in the back of my book and this is a list of spirits mostly evil spirits that a deliverance ministry has compiled over the last 20 or 25 years. And keep in mind the way they compile it is they go through a repentance process and command it out and it leaves, so they can document that that thing actually left and they now have a pattern, just like medical science. In fact, let me share how science works. Okay, so no one can see me because this is an audio, but I've got a pen in my hand right and the way physical science works is if I have a pen in my hand and I let go of it, the pen drops, and if I do it again, the pen drops. And if you pick up your pen, ana, and you were to hold it and let go of it, the pen's going to drop. And so now we can conclude through empirical data, data that we observe when you do the same activity, the same result happens. Therefore, there must be some sort of a law that governs both the result and the activity. And now we call that law gravity. Well, you can do the same thing in the spiritual laws. That's how this whole thing came about figuring out that if you repent of something, you get freed of something, and then figuring out what type of things to repent of. And how do you get there? Things like stubbornness that's a demon spirit. Sleepiness, stupidity not just being sleepy because you're worn out, but a constant state of sleepiness, fatigue, worry, anxiety all these are demon spirits. You have panic attacks, depression, you have sarcasm, you have anger, you have fear.

Speaker 2: 14:48

Here's what I've learned about demon spirits. I find there's generally two types of spirits that attack people. One is simply a spirit of infirmity of some sort. That's not necessarily a demon spirit, it's just a disciplined spirit. Best way I can describe it. Because they just a disciplined spirit is the best way I can describe it, because they won't speak back. Typically, when I would do a deliverance, I would interrogate these things and I could never interrogate. Am I blowing your mind? Yet I could never interrogate a spirit of infirmity, but I could interrogate the other spirits. So I started to see that there are different types of spirits that God uses, and some of them are actually sent from God. They're all ultimately governed by him because he created the spiritual laws that these things operate in.

Speaker 2: 15:33

I show you in Scripture where this comes out and show you in my book when you engage with a demon spirit, the way the demon spirit works is it's nothing but an amplifier. So every sin that we have, think about the sins we have a sin of anger, sin of lust, sin of pride, sin of fear, sin of depression, anytime. These are things that we can do and if we do it strong enough. Let's say anger, because I have a sin nature in my body, I'm going to get angry at times. You do something against me. I'm going to be a little upset.

Speaker 2: 16:07

But if I get really upset, then it opens up the door of what's called a legal right for a spirit of anger to come in a demon spirit of anger. And what it is is a spirit of like kind. It says you opened up a door of anger and I'm a spirit of anger. So I'm going to come in and I'm going to amplify your anger. That's all. These things are Demon spirits, are nothing but sin spirits. They simply amplify sin. They don't make me do anything, but they urge me to do something.

Speaker 1: 16:35

And that's why it's not possession right, Because they don't make us do it. Our sin nature makes us.

Speaker 2: 16:40

Almost. So hold that thought. I'm going to come back to possession, because it's really important to understand what we're talking about. Okay, because most people use the English version of possession without going to the Greek word translated possession, and what the Greek word actually means. So we have a different, a wrong definition, and then wrong definition creates wrong interpretation, which creates lots of chaos. So here's how.

Speaker 2: 17:10

Here's how a demon spirit operates. It's an amplifier, so I have my mobile phone out and if I were to put my earbuds plug into my mobile phone, it has what's called a preamp. It's a very low-wattage amplifier and that preamp I'm going to be able to hear my music really clear if I put my earbuds in my ear. But if I take them out of the ear and stick them three feet away on my desk, I'm not going to hear them very well at all. So I could have this turned up all the way and I can totally ignore it and focus on something else. It's just not much noise. But imagine now I take my mobile phone and I plug it into my home stereo that has a hundred watts output, and even if those speakers are 10 feet away or long further, if I crank up my stereo to a hundred watts. There's no way I can ignore it and there's no way I can concentrate because it'll be so loud all the time that eventually it drives me berserk. So you have, you can see this in addicts. All the time they take another drink but they don't want to, but something urges them to and it's impossible to always resist, usually when we're strong, just like even in Christian. Possible to always resist Usually when we're strong, just like even in Christian. I'm going to fight that tendency to blow up at my spouse and get angry and nitpick all the time. And while I'm strong and I just come from a quiet time, I can resist, but by the end of the day I'm wiped out. I haven't eaten anything, the kids are fussy man, I'm just going to lose it and blow up. Why? Because there's an amplifier and now I don't have the strength to resist.

Speaker 2: 18:46

Once you get that spirit out, then everything calms down, even in marriage relationships. I have been helping people with marriage relationships just getting out spirit of anger, spirit of bitterness, spirit of bickering, forgive the person, all these things, and now all the bickering just calms down and they can actually engage each other personally without having these spirits that are trying to divide them and destroy. You know, still kill and destroy. Jesus says it's what the thieves are trying to do.

Speaker 2: 19:15

So what happened with you and everyone else is when you feel that lightness, that's actually these spirits leaving you and in almost all cases it's a evil spirit that we would call a demon, just as a colloquial term. And sometimes people will feel it coming out of their arm, tingling, if they have pain, like I've got this pain in my back, and they start to pray. Anytime that pain shifts position, it's always a demon spirit and usually that pain will shift position and then come out. And because Christians sin, then sin that's unrepented, is the legal right and that's why you even said once I repented, so now Satan can't attack me anymore. So we already know that Satan a demon type of spirit, fallen angel, but we use it all under the name of demons generally.

Speaker 2: 20:07

We know that Satan attacks me. Okay, we know that we're being attacked, but now we start to argue over how does that work? But the reality is most of us have demons and we can get out, get rid of them through repentance, because it's the demon that creates this chronic sickness, especially some of the more difficult type of things, and it's always anger, addiction, fear, anxiety, depression. All these are demon spirits. That that's their role. Their role is to amplify those things. So back to your comment about possession, unless you have a question.

Speaker 1: 20:40

No, go ahead comment about possession.

Speaker 2: 20:46

unless you have a question, no, go ahead. Okay, so using the word possession the way we typically use it in America, let's say I own a home and I possess the deed to that home, and that home is my possession right. And then I'm going to write a lease contract to you and you're going to pay me money, and now you're leasing my home. So do you possess the home or do you only dwell in the home?

Speaker 1: 21:05

I dwell because I don't own it, I don't have the deed.

Speaker 2: 21:09

That's right. So demons never own any human being. They can dwell in a human being, but they never own it. Okay, Mm-hmm.

Speaker 2: 21:32

Okay Now, if so, then you look at. If you look at the Greek and the English translations I use ESV primarily, but sometimes they'll say that someone is demon possessed. So the Greek word should more likely be translated as demonized rather than demon possessed, because we have a wrong understanding of what possessed means. But Vine's Dictionary, which is one of the standards in Bible translation dictionaries, goes back over 100 years, I believe, and it's what all translators use. It's like the Webster's Dictionary of Greek and Hebrew for the Bible and when it uses the word demon-possessed, when it uses the word demon-possessed, vine's dictionary defines it as to indwell in a demon, dwells within or to control the body of. Okay, so he controls the body. He doesn't possess the body, he controls it.

Speaker 2: 22:14

I've seen my first deliverance Christian woman was a full-on. You don't like to use the word, but I'll use it because it's all I can explain Full-on manifestation. The demons took full control over her body. She's still saved, she still is cleansed by the blood of Jesus, but she's under extreme discipline because of choices she made in her life and the things that were going on within that house. It was kind of a spooky house, probably witchcraft and seances before they moved in. So there's just a lot of stuff there. So that's possession, right.

Speaker 2: 22:48

The Catholic Church uses a term. They have exorcism and deliverance, and exorcism they only do for what they call possession, but what their possession term is means simply a manifestation that a demon spirit will actually take over that person's body and control it, either with or without the person recognizing Sometimes the person like the first deliverance I did, the person was in a trance after we did everything and I mean I got it on video. It's like you know, you can't make this stuff up and then I would ask her about this and say I don't remember any of it, she went into a trance. And then I would ask her about this and say I don't remember any of it, she went into a trance. Other times, if a demon will take over the body or just the vocal cords of someone, usually a lot of times that person is still cognitive but they just have no function over anything and it's really freaky but it's very real. I think that's the point I want to share is this is real and I remember one of the missionaries I was doing a deliverance with.

Speaker 2: 23:46

He grew up in Brazil, which is a syncretism in the Catholic Church, so kind of demon worship within the Catholic Church. But he has all these issues in his life, this chronic pain the doctors can't figure anything out, what's going on and some other issues. So I come along and start doing the deliverance with this and interrogating these demons. And they all came in before he was a Christian. One thing was in that Catholic church down there they worship some, they pray to some saint that happened to be a demon spirit. So now that's praying to a demon. That's really bad. It opens up the door for really bad things.

Speaker 2: 24:28

Another thing is he listened to satanic music and simply singing along with the lyrics was a sin, because those lyrics gave glory to Satan. One of the spirits said what gave you the legal rights? It's giving praise to Satan through song. I said, gio, what is he talking about? He said I used to sing along to these satanic songs. Okay, well, let's repent of that, lord. I repent of singing along to the satanic songs. All right, now go back to the spirit and cast him out. So it's really different.

Speaker 2: 24:58

And I think I made the comment at the beginning of this call. And I think I made the comment at the beginning of this call once you experience, empirical data that conflicts with your understanding of what the Bible says. Then you start to shift your understanding of what the Bible actually says me, as I started to pray for people and they were instantly healed and then I started getting to deliverance. Then I started to do this Every level of increased revelation. As the Lord keeps showing me more things in the spiritual world and how he operates, then it changes my understanding of a lot of these things that I held very dogmatically to many years back. And as I go back to the scriptures I see all the evidence there that I missed, because now I know what to be looking for. So that's possession and other stuff.

Speaker 1: 25:50

That's definitely very clarifying and I'm sure that's going to help a lot of people who are confused about the topic.

Speaker 1: 25:57

It's definitely opened my eyes to a lot. This whole conversation has opened up my eyes to a whole lot that I need to. I still need to focus more and, you know, put God first in the Bible and stop trying to force my human nature onto what is written in the book, because as you're reading, as you're saying things, as you're reading the Bible right now, during this conversation, I'm hearing the verses in ways that I've never heard them before. Like I mentioned with that verse that I quoted, I don't know how many times I had read that verse before. I've read Proverbs so many times.

Speaker 1: 26:40

I've read that verse so many times. Never once did it ever stick out to me at all. And I'm sitting here going, wow, lord, what Beatty and I did. Was that a thing from you? Is that a real thing? Did it really happen? What should I think? I don't know what to think of this. And then I read that verse and it just hit me like I just ran into a brick wall. And it makes sense. When you allow yourself to believe that God is more than what you think or what you've believed your whole life, he will show you new things. You have to be open to the idea of letting Him speak to you, and once he speaks to you, he's going to blow your socks off.

Speaker 2: 27:28

I like to make a suggestion on that. This is what I did. I mentioned it. Now we're on this topic one more time. Take everything that you've been taught. Don't throw it away, but question it.

Speaker 1: 27:52

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Speaker 2: 28:28

So when my church was so adamant that supernatural gifts had ceased that they attributed the healing of these people, as I was sharing the gospel, to Satan, I was saying that's not Satan, I'm sharing the gospel with him. He wouldn't do that. Then what I realized is if they missed that and that's a pretty big miss, because the Bible is very clear about supernatural gifts then what else do they miss? So that's when I said I'm going to reject the authenticity and the authority of everything they've taught me. I'm going to use it as a working premise, but I'm not going to be convinced of it until I actually see it in my own eyes in God's word, and let God reveal it. And so what happens then is you start to read the scriptures with no predetermination of what it should be saying, but you read the scriptures at face value and say Lord, show me and I'll show you a book I did. Your readers won't see it, but I started taking notes that the Lord would give me. And he spoke to me and said he spoke to me through the scripture and said open your mouth wide and I will fill your mouth. And I understood that to be that, as I would speak out my thoughts on my. I use OneNote, so that's speech to text on my phone. As I would speak out my thoughts, he would actually fill my thoughts with his words and I called them nuggets and after five and a half years he told me to publish them. And this is my study book, called Nuggets of Faith, and it's the Lord taking me into this deep dive where I had no preconceived idea of what God's Word should have said, and actually reading it as if it was the brand new time, first time I've ever read it and what does it say? And allowing God to show me what it says and the level of revelation, of understanding God's Word at a deeper, deeper level, was just off the chart. So I would encourage everyone don't take my word for this Check it out. I would encourage you to buy my book, theprayerfreedombookcom, because it's full of Scripture. I show you in Scripture what is written and explain it in the light of sickness and pain and issues with our family and patterns and everything else where it comes from Scripture, and then go back to your Bible, pull up those same Scriptures and read it in context. That's how you're going to learn and how you're going to verify if my interpretation of Scripture is accurate.

Speaker 2: 30:53

Just before I started praying for people for healing, I started buying some books from faith healers. Pray for people for healing. I started buying some books from faith healers and with the intention. I had no interest in what their opinion was. I just wanted to know what are the scriptures you're reading that brings you to the conclusion that healing is for today. And then I would go to the Bible and study it myself and go, wow, that's exactly what it said. And that started to open my eyes because now someone was guiding me into God's word. And then God would open his word up and say that's just exactly what it says and that's how you study his word.

Speaker 1: 31:33

Well, I'm definitely getting your book. I know my husband and I will definitely appreciate it, because we've had many a conversation about this topic and gotten into some arguments about it, because I have my strong opinions and he has his, and they rarely matched up and I'm gonna have to probably apologize to him at one point because he may have been more right about this subject than I was. So, if he's listening, you either got your apology already or I will, and you'll have to remind me when you hear this. I love you.

Speaker 2: 32:14

Yeah, spoiler alert, spoiler alert. My book does not mention demons anywhere because it scares most people. I call them, I use a term I coined it call spirits of discipline, because it puts everything into a simple category and we can understand it. But here's what happens. God wants us to conform to his image right Romans 8, for we've been predestined to be conformed to the image of his son, and his son is the exact image of God. We're not in God's image, we're in Adam's image. Fallen Adam. Adam was made in God's image. Then he fell, then he had children. It says that his children were in his likeness, not God's. So the whole pattern is to be conformed back into the image of God. So if we use Jesus as our model, what's the big thing that separates Jesus from us?

Speaker 1: 33:05

He's holy and we aren't. He's without sin.

Speaker 2: 33:09

Bingo. He's without sin, we're with sin. So, to be conformed to the image of God, the more we repent of sin, which removes sin away from us, and learn the consequences of sin. So we don't do it. That's what discipline is, little Johnny, don't touch the stove, it's going to be hot. He touches it, burns his finger. He's not going to do it again. Yeah, right, once he learned that these issues sometimes he's stupid and he's going to take a few more days, right, stubborn, not stupid. Once we learn there's real life consequence to sin, we will sin a lot less and we will repent a lot quicker. Did I tell you the story? Because I'd like to share it here but I forget? Did I tell you the story of my son going into heaven?

Speaker 1: 33:52

Yes.

Speaker 2: 33:53

Okay, let me share it here because this is so appropriate. One of the times he was sharing with me. So my son, when he was probably 19 or 20 years old, the Lord was teaching him a lot of things as he was preparing him for his work. And he brought my son his name is Beatty Jr into the heavenly courtroom. So imagine, you're in this courtroom. There's no one there except you know, no one you can see except up on the dais.

Speaker 2: 34:17

You see God, the Father, is the judge, and to his left he sees a demon spirit. And that demon spirit is accusing my son of sin. Because, keep in mind, satan is called the accuser of the brethren. The only thing he can accuse us of is sin and his only authority over us is sin. That's the only way he can attack us.

Speaker 2: 34:40

So my son was being accused by this junior spirit, this junior attorney, if you want to call it that prosecuting attorney with these sins. And then the Lord told my son plead the blood of Jesus. So, keep in mind, in a courtroom here in the US, here on earth, you have a prosecutor who accuses you and then you make a plea to the judge. So my son made a plea to the judge to God, the Father, and he said I plead the blood of Jesus. And instantly the demon spirit disappeared, because once the blood of Jesus was pled for those sins, the sins were gone. So watch this as it relates to Romans 8. I think it's 828, 29, or 819, or some 8 and a 9 somewhere in there.

Speaker 2: 35:28

But it says we've been predestined to be conformed to the image of his son. The more we repent of sin, the more that sin leaves us disappears. We're no longer under judgment for that sin. The more that sin leaves us disappears. We're no longer under judgment for that sin, not eternal judgment, but earthly judgment in terms of discipline. And now, the more we conform to the image of Christ, we eventually can become more and more sinless Not perfectly sinless, like Jesus was, but we can become so sinless that we're blameless.

Speaker 2: 36:02

This is what happened with Job. God told Satan what do you think about my servant Job? He is blameless and upright. It was blameless because he's constantly repented through sacrifice. And Satan said he only loves you because you put a hedge around him. You won't let me attack him. He couldn't attack because he was without sin, not that he never sinned, but that every sin was already sacrificed and repented for. As we start to live a life of constant repentance of every sin, we become blameless. When we're blameless, there's a hedge of protection around us that we cannot have attacks because there's no legal right to be attacked. Then and you'll get into this under my book, it's also in my app there's an understanding of authority and covering, where the husband has authority over the wife and mom and dad have authority over the children. And as a covering is strong, then those underneath the covering are protected. We see this, I'm going to pull this up. This is Genesis 3. Let me show you covering in the Bible. This will blow your mind once you understand the deeper ramifications of this. And this is on the man right now, but you'll see the idea.

Speaker 2: 37:16

So this is Genesis 3, starting in verse 1. The serpent was more crafty than anyone else. He said to Eve you know, did God really say you shouldn't eat? And we keep on going. And then we come down to verse 6. So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food and that it was a delight to the eyes and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate it. Okay.

Speaker 2: 37:44

So imagine now. Keep in mind Adam is right here because she's about to give the fruit to Adam, which means Adam's been listening to the whole conversation with the serpent as well. He just wasn't wise enough to understand the implication of what was happening. So Adam had been told by God the day you eat of this, you shall die, don't eat of it. So now he sees Eve eat of it and has she died? No, because she's still alive. And it says and she also gave some to her husband who was with her, and he ate, and watch this verse 7. Then the eyes of both were opened. In other words, as long as Adam was without sin, he had a protective covering over the wife and while she sinned there was no implication because she was protected by her covering. But once the covering broke, they both fell. And you see this understanding, oh, that's amazing.

Speaker 1: 38:43

I said words matter. How many times have we read that verse? Then you said then Instantly scales off my eyes. I understood where you were going with that. Yes, wow.

Speaker 2: 39:00

Words matter. Keep in mind when Jesus was talking to the Sadducees. You know they were sad. You see right, because they did not believe in the resurrection.

Speaker 1: 39:10

Dad joke.

Speaker 2: 39:11

I know that's an old pastor's joke, that too, going around all the while, he said you're probably, you know. They said well, this man had a wife and he died and he had seven brothers and each had a wife. And then, in the resurrection, whose wife will she be? For all seven had her. Watch what Jesus says.

Speaker 2: 39:32

You know neither the scriptures nor God, because did you not read in the passage of Moses with the burning bush, god says I am the God of Abraham, isaac and Jacob, the simply the fact that he said I am and not I was. That one word is what Jesus hinged everything of his interpretation on A single word, and it wasn't spoken figuratively or metaphorically, at face value. Once you understand, to start to read the scripture at face value, you'll reject nothing. Because even if you don't understand it, you'll know how. About John 20, 23? Jesus blew on them after he was resurrected. He blew on them and he said whatever sins you forgive shall be forgiven in heaven, and whatever sins you withhold forgiveness from shall be withheld in heaven.

Speaker 2: 40:28

And everyone says is Jesus really giving us permission to forgive sins? No way. That must mean something different, because only God can forgive sins. Yet the Bible never says only God can forgive sins the only places in the Bible is the Pharisees, whom Jesus rebuked all the time for having understood the scriptures wrong consistently. So the question then is did Jesus say we can forgive sins? Yes? What does it mean? I don't know, but I'm not going to reject that. That's exactly what it means. Now my job is to pursue scripture more and understand what it means or how you apply it or what he's really saying in that. But it can be. It is at face value, just like that word. Then the eyes of both of them were open. Words matter and God placed each word there specifically because it matters.

Speaker 1: 41:21

Yeah, beatty, you are. Wow, everything has been mind-blowing. My heart is hearing all this. My mind is a sponge. I am ready to see the Bible in a whole new light, to see God in a whole new light. Thank you so much for coming on and having this really deep conversation with me and with the listeners. I know that they're on the edge of their seats as well, and we want your book, we want your website, we want all the stuff that you have your app to so share with us again where we can get your book. Tell us about your app and your website if anyone wants to get in touch with you.

Speaker 2: 42:10

So the book is the most important thing because it teaches you how to get free and why you should repent. God said if my people who are called by my name will simply repent and turn back to me, he'll heal their land. We can set nations free through repentance. So the book's name no only you can see it, I'm holding it up. The book's name is called the Prayer of Freedom. Add the word book at the end and go to the website prayeroffreedombookcom. Okay, it'll take you straight to Amazon. There's a button goes straight there. There's a short video you can learn about it.

Speaker 2: 42:46

But, most important, you'll see some amazing testimonials and they're all almost all of them are absolutely true miracles. It's just unbelievable. Like one guy talks about diabetes is healed, his sleep blackness is healed, he gives away his CPAP machine. No more manic depression. I mean just all this stuff just gone.

Speaker 2: 43:09

The other book if you really want to grow in understanding God's truths at a deeper level that's not the preachy level, but if what I've been sharing resonates, then you'll find that stuff in this bigger book. It's called Nuggets of Faith and there's not a link to go to. Just go to Amazon. Nuggets of Faith by Beatty Carmichael and it's a great big on Nuggets of Faith by Beatty Carmichael.

Speaker 2: 43:27

Okay, and it's a great big, it's a blue book and it has a plumb line on it so that 407 nuggets can be used as a devotional book. Each nugget is roughly about one page, so it's bite-sized pieces and in the back there's an index with all the scripture references. So if you want to go straight to the scripture and look it up and you'll go on the same journey that the Lord sent me on in understanding his word. So my app you'll see it in the book, the Prayer of Freedom, because I integrate the app with the teaching once you get into the prayer portion, because there's a lot of follow-up teaching. How do you maintain this? How do you help other people get free? But if you just want my app directly, because there's a lot of teaching, the app is on any of the mobile phone, the app store, the Play Store, and it's the name Get Radical Faith and I'll give you a little plug about it.

Speaker 2: 44:25

By passion, I'm a Bible teacher and I teach really deep stuff on how to walk by faith, with the goal of taking believers who want to go to the next level and move them up that level to be fully trained so they can be like the teacher. I really encourage you to get it. There's one section that is tied into the prayer of freedom and that's why you'll see it referenced in the book. But you can download it. They're all videos. You can watch them on the app, you can listen to it as a podcast and just listen to the audio, but it'll blow your mind what God's Word has in store for you. And that's the app name Get Radical Faith.

Speaker 1: 45:08

All right, and do you have a website, just in case anyone wants to message you, tell you how amazing this episode was?

Speaker 2: 45:17

I hate to say it. As a really thorough teacher, I get overwhelmed with too much incoming stuff so I put up all kinds of barriers so no one can get to me. I apologize for that.

Speaker 1: 45:29

No, that's fine. Make your spiritual barriers somewhere. Everyone has to draw the line, that way they can stay close. I mean, even Jesus retreated from the people and went somewhere quietly to be with the Lord. So I get it.

Speaker 2: 45:45

I will make a quick promotion of what we're going to do, because there may be someone out there that can help. All right. We're going to start, once I find someone to help me with this, a Facebook community page so that people can join the Prayer Freedom Facebook page and from there I'll be able to communicate, as long as I have someone to manage the page.

Speaker 1: 46:04

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 46:04

It's like okay, betty, we got some good questions here. Can you give a response? And I can, you know. So if someone is in the social media world I'm not, I choose just not to. I don't even access it, but we want to create that page and if someone can, is passionate about this, is a raving fan of repentance and all of this, I would love for you to contact me and there is a place in the app, if you want to help out, where you can contact me. But you'll see that once you go through the book.

Speaker 1: 46:31

All right, yeah, if that sounds like something you want to get involved in, you can always message me on my website, honestchristianconversationscom. Leave me a message and I can always pass it on to Beatty as well. So, yeah, thank you again. So much, beatty, for coming on. This has been an awesome and very edifying conversation. I know everyone's going to be edified. They're going to be encouraged and hopefully study their Bible in a whole new way.

Speaker 2: 47:01

Well, thank you for having me on and I hope all you guys that are listening are greatly blessed, and please share this episode with others that it can benefit.