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What Is The Great Commission?
Travel isn't just about seeing new places—it can transform how we live out our faith. Kari Hunnicutt joins us to share how her adventurous spirit has shaped her family's global explorations and approach to fulfilling the Great Commission.
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Hi friends, welcome back to Honest Christian Conversations. I'm your host, anna Murby. I am so excited for today's guest, carrie Honeycutt. She has been a world traveler, but she's also been a student of the faith. She has traveled a lot, even with kids, okay. So that in and of itself is a mind blow for me, because I have five kids and I can't even imagine going overseas with five kids. But she has done that a few times and her reasonings as to why are very beautiful and the life lessons that have come out of that are also very beautiful. You're going to love hearing what she has to say about that, but she reminds us about the significance of a little mustard seed of faith, which is the key part of this conversation. Overall, this is an amazing conversation, full of so much faith and desire to see people strengthened in the Great Commission, and if you aren't sure what that is, you should look it up. But we do get into it more, we do discuss it more, and her book, dormant Faith also discusses it, so you're definitely going to want to pick that up. But we do get into it more, we do discuss it more, and her book, dormant Faith also discusses it, so you're definitely going to want to pick that up too.
Speaker 1:Let's get into today's episode. Before the episode starts, make sure you follow the show so you never miss another episode. Hi Keri, thank you so much for coming on the podcast today. I'm very excited to talk to you. I think it's interesting.
Speaker 1:I read through your Podmatch profile and it said that you have traveled a lot, and when I think of travel at least the way it is now, because I have five children and traveling is not really a thing I can do other than back and forth through school it's encouraging to see that there are people who are still able to travel, even if they do have families, or that they just make time for it because it's such a beautiful experience. I myself, when I was 16, went to Europe and got to visit Italy, austria and Germany, and that was an experience that I would love to relive at some point, but I don't know when that'll be. At some point, but I don't know when that'll be. But I just found that very interesting and exciting when I saw that you are a traveler and that you love to travel. So I'm very excited to talk to you about that. But before we do, why don't you share with us your testimony.
Speaker 2:Thank you so much for having me on your show. I would say, growing up just speaking to the traveling piece my parents were both in the educational system and so we did have a lot of our Christmases and summers, often that they even had those times off, but I wouldn't say we traveled very far. We lived in Washington State and we did a lot of camping, excursions and adventures and we had family in Southern California so we would often travel to see our family in Southern California so we'd spend a lot of time there and in that area, kind of traveling around too, but definitely like budget conscious. I think it put kind of an adventure spirit in my bones and just like as we would see new places and explore and be active, go on different hikes or camp in nature, really sealed something inside of me and grew something that I wanted to also share with my kids and my family and continue some of those traditions. So, yeah, so my family growing up was. I can say that I am so blessed with an amazing set of parents. They're still married today, they have modeled a beautiful marriage for me and I have an older sister and a younger brother and we were all pretty close growing up, I would say we attended church when we were younger.
Speaker 2:You know God was definitely taught. My mom was probably the primary person in teaching us about God and she would pray for us and we would sing songs and different things around the house. Listening to our record player. That dates me back. Listening to our record player. That dates me back.
Speaker 2:But yeah, we went to church and my dad was pretty quiet about his faith initially and I would say he probably, if we talked to him about it he would say, yeah, it's probably more just a philosophical idea to help people just be better people and so kind of just had different exposure that way. But then as we got older and more involved in school and sports and all the things, church kind of was put on the back burner. I would say it definitely wasn't still something that we tried to figure out amongst the busyness and everything that we did to make sure that we were attending and staying really connected. I think that I always knew God. You know, when I accepted, I probably raised my hand to the sinner's prayer like a million times growing up like yeah, I'm going to pray it again, I'm going to pray it again. And that was just me like always feeling like I don't know, am I really there?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know that was always like a journey for me. But I was baptized when I was in grade school and then in sixth grade I decided on my own to pursue it further and went through a confirmation type class with a mentor who mentored me through that to really get more in depth in the word. And then even in high school, when we weren't really involved in church too much, I was involved in a program called Young Life. That really is kind of just like a fun. They have clubs and they take kids to summer camp, really kind of trying to reach that furthest kid out that probably would never find themselves in church, but just a different environment to learn about God and grow in your relationship. And then when I got to college I really started. I think that's when my faith really became my own.
Speaker 2:When I was really searching, I went through a period where I was still I was finding churches in the area where my university was and I was attending different small groups and Bible studies and then kind of came across this church and this group of people who really befriended me and we were going through Bible studies but they were pretty much telling me that I wasn't saved and that my baptism as a child really wasn't a true baptism and that I needed to be baptized again.
Speaker 2:And there were just certain things in this, in these conversations, that were not sitting right with me and it kind of sent me in a spiral like, just well, what is all of this and what do I believe then, and what is true? And then I even started searching other religions and researching, like thinking just because I grew up here, what makes Christianity the right religion? And so I spent a lot of time just researching and digging deep and praying and ultimately Jesus brought me right back to seeking Him and His faith and His truth, like, yes, this is the truth, I am the truth, I am the way, and yeah, so from there I've just continued to grow and see where he wants to lead me, doing my best through this life to keep transforming more and more into His likeness and growing. So I think it's an ongoing evolving journey that we're on in this journey of faith and drawing closer and closer to Him. Nice.
Speaker 1:It's wonderful that you were able to have all the revelations that I had at 30 years old, but you had them while you were still younger. I wish that I had had that mindset of wanting to ask questions and find out how to make my relationship my own. I just wrote on what my parents told me, what the church told me, never questioned anything, and if I did feel like I was questioning, I felt like it was wrong to do. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, Maybe I'm doubting, and that's bad, and you just kind of went with it.
Speaker 1:I heard a lot of you saying journey, and you've always had a love for travel and I think God used that and he took you on a spiritual journey to find Him, the right Him, the truth, the way that you were meant to be in a relationship with Him.
Speaker 1:So I think that's really beautiful and I also find it interesting that you went to college and you found your faith, rather than what a lot of people do, which is they lose it. Some people that you were starting to talk to kind of made you shake your faith up and like maybe there's something wrong, maybe I am in the wrong, but you went and looked into it further. You had that mindset of wanting to actually know what truth is, rather than some people who would just be like, well, if I'm not saved, then what am I doing all this for? And just crumble and let go and just completely walk away. But you were like, no, maybe I need to check something, maybe I've got it wrong. And it led you back to the truth. And I think that's amazing, because it's not usually the stories you hear coming out of college students. It's usually the opposite. So I find that very interesting that God was able to do that.
Speaker 2:Yeah you're right, I feel really blessed that he kind of took me on that journey. And it is, I think, at any time in our spiritual walk like we can feel discouraged and I think a common response to that is to kind of then just get stuck. And I think, through some of my journey and also just my, I think it's just in me, some of my personality, like yeah, I just's, I think, why I have such a heart for other believers and sharing some of my story and my journey, because I want to encourage other people that there is so much more to this walk and to our faith and to our relationship with God than sometimes we get to, because we get frustrated or discouraged and we give up and then when that happens, like we're stuck and we can't keep transforming and that's not like the beauty and the transformation that God wants for us. So, yeah, I just want to pray that we have persevering hearts through it all and that we keep asking the questions, we keep persevering and, you know, we keep seeking His face and the truth and I think that if we truly do that, we truly lay our heart out there for Him. You know he says give me your whole heart, give me your mind, your soul.
Speaker 2:Sometimes that can feel like, ouch, is that possible? How do I do that? Like that's everything you know. But if we are doing that and we're truly like, yes, god, take it all and help me, keep fighting through this, help me find the truth, help me find you, help me hear you, he will, he will show up and he will show us. So, yeah, that's what, more than anything, that I hope people can hear and understand and that will encourage them to keep persevering through it all and keep seeking those. I think, yeah, not living in any of that guilt, or what am I doing? You know like, yeah, you're fighting the good fight. That's what you're doing. What am I doing? You know like, yeah, you're you're fighting the good fight.
Speaker 1:That's what you're doing. Yeah, yeah. So how long after college was it that you wrote your book Dormant?
Speaker 2:Faith Gosh. Well, I just released it in November, so just a few months ago. What? Nearly two decades after college. I've written this book because, yeah, I've continued on in my journey and I studied for speech language pathology. So I did speech therapy, was active in that for probably two decades, and then we moved to Northwest Arkansas from Washington State and really just felt like I needed to focus on getting my family settled and my husband in his new job, and so I have kind of stepped back from my profession as a speech pathologist, which was really really hard, because I love that profession. It's very challenging and fulfilling and helps people.
Speaker 1:I have a major respect for people who do that, because two of my kids have needed a speech pathologist and, by God's grace, their school. They were able to get one for free for a school year and I saw tremendous change in both of them in that one year and, yeah, it's amazing what you do.
Speaker 2:I love that. It's pretty incredible work to be a part of. So it has been really hard to step away from that, but I do feel like in just how it's come about, like my husband just keeps saying you're where you're supposed to be right now, you're doing what you're supposed to be doing, and so it has freed me up to do some of these other things and pursue some of these other passions, like write my book Dormant Faith, and be able to share some of my faith journey in living out the Great Commission and encouraging other believers to also live out the Great Commission more effectively. In today's world it's challenging.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, I think that some of this time and some of my experience through the nonprofit that I'm a board member of and that my family and I have been involved in developing a Christian church in a remote area of West Africa, and just through all of those experiences and witnessing what God is doing all around the world and His power and His Holy Spirit, and there's just so much there that I just wanted to share it. Everybody has their own passions and skills and avenues that God has placed in front of us and in us to use for His glory, and ultimately that is our purpose. That's why we're here, and so I just hope to encourage other believers, too, to see that in themselves and to see God in them and what he's planted in them and what he wants them to do with that in themselves, and to see God in them and what he's planted in them and what he wants them to do with that in sharing the Great Commission in our world today, beautiful.
Speaker 1:It's identity, and knowing what direction to take is definitely something a lot of people have a hard time with. Right now.
Speaker 1:I can imagine being in college, being thrown different ways on what to believe, being told you matter, being told you don't matter. You just popped here one day and then you're gone and poof. What is there to live for? There's just so many things being thrown at everybody.
Speaker 1:We don't understand that we were here for a purpose, and that's to give God glory, and he's given us skills, he's given us gifts, things that we know how to do, that no one else can do like we can, and he has a plan for you. And so, yeah, your book is timely for sure, and I do believe your husband was right when he said you're right where you need to be. This is the correct place that God has you right now, and it was hard for you to get out of the prior season because you saw the fruit of what you were doing there, but God is doing something big through what you're doing now, and more people need to come alive in the faith and to remember what the Great Commission is. We are here to glorify God and we are here to share the gospel throughout the world. And maybe you can't go travel across the globe, but you can travel across the street and talk to somebody there.
Speaker 2:Yes, and I think that's huge and what people need to hear and see and truly soak in, because our enemy is alive and working too and he gets in our heads and I think you know some of this is our the biggest lies that we continue to believe is well, this, I'm not really doing anything, this isn't really much, or this isn't doing much and whatever, I might as well not do it, you know. Or I might as well not speak. Or we get afraid even to go across the street where we're afraid and we don't know what that conversation will hold, and so we don't. Or we're so busy in our every day like, yeah, I probably should go over there and talk to that person, but when am I going to do that? I don't have time, you know. Or you just feel ill-equipped, and that's where your book would come in handy.
Speaker 2:Believers just in my circle alone, you know. I put out there like, how effectively do you feel you're living out the Great Commission in your every day? And it was. And then I also in there in this survey. In addition to that question, I asked and what are some of the possible reasons for holding back in sharing? And so probably about half of the believers who took this survey admitted that they don't feel like they're effective in living out the Great Commission in their everyday lives. And then, when I had just kind of given some possible reasons why, fear was the number one of the ones that I gave, and that was about again 50% that said they struggle with fear. Feeling unprepared was the next one, and that was about 35% of believers who felt like they wouldn't share because they felt unprepared, Inconvenienced 30% feeling like their faith is just a private matter. How much of that lie is prominent in our society today Like no it's just, it's fine, you do you, I'll do me.
Speaker 2:Which, yeah, there's still an element to that, but that doesn't mean that we're released from still sharing his good news, that there is a private element to our faith but there is also a public element to our faith. So about 14% said yeah, I feel like my faith is more of a private matter and that's why I don't want to share. Several also indicated feeling ashamed. So whether it's ashamed of what we believe, because some of it kind of sounds crazy, so feeling ashamed in that and like how to get over that. But probably more than that ashamed was indicating, you know, their own self feeling of shame because they've fallen short and so feel like they're not the best representative of who God is and what he can do, because they're too stuck in their own shame of it all.
Speaker 2:And then a state of despair is another one, like probably 10% said, because they're in a state of despair either in their circumstances, like they're so just wrapped up in the despair of their circumstances, or in spiritual despair. And then another category that I talk about is just being disengaged, like you know, just admitting that you're just kind of disengaged from your faith, so then from that you're not going to share your faith too much when you yourself are disengaged from it. So yeah, I kind of talk about all those different categories but then, in the last chapter of that section, really encourage people to think about other lies or stumbling blocks that maybe weren't discussed and weren't mentioned, for them to really dig into their own and in their own time, to really dig into their own and in their own time.
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Speaker 1:Yeah, we definitely. We need to step up our game, believers. We have not been sharing the Great Commission the way we should have. We have not been giving God the glory by sharing our testimonies.
Speaker 1:The Bible talks about how powerful our testimonies are, and this is something I'm feeling convicted onto, because I feel ill-equipped sometimes and I don't want to discuss anything because maybe they're going to ask me a question and I don't know the answer to it. There's problems that I have as well, but we can't let our fears and anxieties keep us from doing what God has asked us to do. His Great Commission does not say do this, except if you have these problems. It just says do this, which means he's going to equip us to handle it, to be able to do it. He's not going to leave us or forsake us, and His Holy Spirit is inside of us, helping us, giving us the words that we can't come up with ourselves. So I know I definitely need to work harder on being a better example of the Great Commission. Yeah, you were naming off all those things and I was like, yeah, I've thought that before and that.
Speaker 2:And I was like yeah yeah.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I think we've all been there in at least one of those areas.
Speaker 2:I'm glad you wrote this, thank you. Thank you. You know it is a hard area to really tackle and process and, again, didn't want to put it out there for people to shrink and be like, oh yeah, and it'd be another reason to just throw up our hands, right, but no. So then the rest of the book gets into exactly what you just said, like, okay, yes, all of these are challenges and we have our own sin that takes us down. We have Satan still in the picture too, but our God has overcome all of that, you know, and so I think we sometimes lose sight of that that how big our God is and how powerful our God is and he's already overcome. So if we truly believe that, we need to truly believe that he will help us overcome all of these things and that he has given us the Holy Spirit, and the Holy Spirit has I don't know if you can see this, but in that heart that's like a tiny, tiny little mustard seed, you know.
Speaker 2:And in Matthew 17, 20, Jesus talks about just having faith. As small as a mustard seed is all he needs. You know, he will, he will grow it. If we give him this much, he'll grow our faith. But ultimately, you know, he will grow it. If we give Him this much, he'll grow our faith. But ultimately it's not about our faith and what we believe we can do or can't do, because it's about Him and it's about what he can do with our tiny mustard seed of faith and that he will move those mountains. And so we just need to believe that and believe that, tap into that Holy Spirit inside of us and go and trust that he's going to give us the opportunities and the words and actions and everything that we need to effectively share in this time.
Speaker 1:Amen, yeah, I completely agree with that. Well, how did you get into traveling, and where exactly have you been? Did you start when you were in college, or was that something you just because I know you said you wanted to pass that tradition on to your children. So did you wait until you had kids and then you started doing some traveling, or were you doing it before you got married?
Speaker 2:Yeah, I would say it's always been again like a desire in my heart. And my husband and I did do some traveling here and there before kids. We were high school sweethearts and we were young and then we were each going through school and doing our different journeys there with education. So we didn't travel like long distance trips during that time, we still took like little weekend trips or did different things, did a lot of hiking and outdoor adventures. But then, yeah, as we started having kids, I did want to introduce it to them early on, thinking if they get used to this, hopefully they'll be better travelers if we can slowly work into it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, smart Did it work.
Speaker 2:In theory right Doesn't mean that it like takes away all the challenges, especially traveling with four kids with a big age span, like our oldest is 18 and our youngest is 11.
Speaker 2:So, you know, we still have to be, I guess, thoughtful in the places that we go and where we want to take them, and have started off with areas that we thought wouldn't be as far away but still slowly increase the distance or be good engaging places for kids too. So we what younger, I went to like Mexico and I went on a few cruises, caribbean did things like that and then, when we had kids, we've gone to Costa Rica and we've taken them to Finland and Iceland, and so a lot of like outdoor, you know, activities where we could still enjoy nature and and the culture.
Speaker 2:They really like cold, like I love the beach and they're like take us to Antarctica, mom.
Speaker 2:Exactly, they're like we love the ice and the cold and the glaciers, but I feel like, while it's challenging, yeah, it's hard to put it as a priority and to budget for it, and especially with four kids and six plane tickets for these places far away.
Speaker 2:It's a lot. And even our last trip when we went to Finland, that was quite a long travel and our youngest was 10 then and by probably the second leg he was literally delirious, like kind of fumbling around, wasn't able to respond to us, and we were at first like come on, dude, what's up? And we're almost like getting a little angry with him. And then we realized like he's like literally delirious right now, like he is not comprehending what is happening and you know so then we tried to get him to take a nap and we had one more little flight to make it through and made it through that and then, as my husband's in line to get the rental car, I just have this picture it's hilarious of him like between a bench and a suitcase that's spread out and he's somehow perched like between that suitcase and the bench with this gap in between, but he is out.
Speaker 2:So you know, it's not that we're again devoid of all the problems and things that can come with it or the sicknesses We've. We've had had one of our kids that got an ear infection, you know, through the flights and had to go to a doctor's office that didn't speak English. So we're using Google Translate and trying to do all the things to communicate what was wrong with him. And this was in Portugal, which was another trip, so definitely different things to navigate, but I think that it's they get excited for it. It's a great time for us to connect as a family. You know, it brings us outside of our normal busy routine, draws them out of their bedrooms and off of their technology when we're in these different places exploring.
Speaker 1:You're making memories too.
Speaker 2:Exactly yeah, and helping them see more of the world and meeting different people and different cultures. And so even our oldest she graduated from high school a year early and she wanted to go into culinary school and just on her own came to us and was like I found this school in Rome had no connection otherwise to it. So part of me is like great, here we go, my first off to college, and it's like Rome.
Speaker 2:To Rome, but I mean just the fact that she had the confidence to do that. I went to a university like an hour away from my family because I wanted to make sure I could go home every weekend and was still like scared to leave the nest. And my kids are so independent and while there's some challenges with that too, it's like they're feeling confident and they're ready to go tackle the world.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, she went. She just was there from September to the end of December doing pastry school and an internship and fighting through all of that in a different culture, in a different language. Nobody she worked with at her internship, fighting through all of that in a different culture, in a different language. Nobody she worked with at her internship at the bakery she was in spoke English and so she said they would get home and they would message each other so that they could translate.
Speaker 2:And that's how they would try to get to know each other and just all the different pieces of it. But it's still really neat to see how that continues to unfold in their lives too, and just the confidence and life experience that it gives them in meeting new people and going to new foreign what could be seem like scary places, and they're feeling more equipped to do that. That's definitely helpful for the.
Speaker 1:Great Commission as well, because they're feeling more equipped to do that. That's definitely helpful for the Great Commission as well, because they're not going to be afraid to go up to someone and just start talking to them about it. That's a lesson everybody listening and watching this. You should do more. You don't have to go traveling, but just be more outgoing. Get them used to it when they're younger.
Speaker 1:I feel like more parents should have done that kind of stuff just to have us talking. And I get it that there's the whole stranger danger stuff as well, that there's certain people you shouldn't talk to or you got to be careful. But I think sometimes we hold on as parents too tightly to our children and we forget that they belong to God and sometimes he has different plans for them. A couple of times my eight-year-old she hasn't said it recently, but she said it before a few times is that she wants to go to China and I'm like, oh really, really I'm trying to not burst her bubble and say, hey, they aren't going to like you because you're Christian. It's like I don't want to squash her desire for that.
Speaker 1:I mean, I love Russia and one of these days I hope to be able to go. I'm learning the language. It's always been on my heart ever since high school. I've always wanted to learn the language. There's something about Russia I just can't get it off my heart and I talked to some people in Russian and I'm learning it all the time. I don't know if I'm ever going to get to visit, but so that's one of the reasons why I'm like okay, I'm not going to be so quick to shut her down. Maybe God's putting that in her heart and maybe she is going to go at some point.
Speaker 1:She's bold enough to talk to anybody about anything. She does not hold back on what she's thinking at all. It can be bad sometimes, but I do appreciate that. All my kids for the most part maybe one of my sons is a little shy, but for the most part they don't have problems going and talking to people and making friends, which is something that I kind of do, which sounds funny because I'm hosting a podcast. But this is the only time. This is why I started the podcast is because it's hard for me to go up to one random person and just start talking to them about the gospel. But I can do it on here, no problem.
Speaker 2:Yeah Well, that's great, but I can do it on here, no problem. Yeah Well, that's great. And even if it's hard initially, I'm sure you're growing in it and you're becoming more and more comfortable the more that you do it. And that's life, and, I think, how God wants to take us and grow us and develop us. And we don't do that if we don't do the hard things. And we don't do that if we don't do the hard things, if we're not willing to step outside of our comfort zone or let our kids step outside of their comfort zones, you know, then we're not going to fully get it because we're not growing through that time. And that's, I think too, when we're more prone, maybe, to just staying stagnant.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, so you're definitely giving your kids a great memory experience, giving them a confidence that a lot of kids today especially do not have. But I can see that it's benefiting them. Just with what you said about your daughter, just her having the confidence that I can do this, my mom's been prepping me to be okay on my own. That's very important.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, and you know it's not to say that there's not challenges with that too. She's struggling and walking with her faith right now and is probably more, she would say she's agnostic right now. So we're not free for any of those challenges, despite our involvement and what we've taught them and how we've brought them up and what we hoped these different things would expose them to and teach them about God and His people. She and all of my kids we're at 18 and she's independent, and now she's at that time too where you have to now kind of continue to pray and release them and let them continue to work through that. And that's what I just keep telling her, like OK, well, just keep searching, Keep asking those questions, keep researching, you know, do whatever you need to do. Don't just stay in this place, but, yeah, just trying to keep open communication about it all too, and then trust God and His plan for calling them back to Him too and speaking to their little hearts, as they, you know, make their faith their own too.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's a good reminder for all of us who have a prodigal child or just one who's just trying to figure things out. You know, maybe they haven't completely abandoned the faith, they're just figuring things out. They need to have that safe area where they can know that they are okay, that they are loved unconditionally. God says seek, and you will find. That's what he wants you to do. He wants you to search. He doesn't want you to just blindly believe anything that you're told. He wants you to search for the truth, because the truth will set you free.
Speaker 1:So, yeah, you're doing it right, you're doing it right and, yeah, it's not going to be easy for the Christian. You know you may be doing all the right things and things might still go south for you, for your children, for your grandchildren who even knows? But you always have God. He's never going to leave us and that's what we hold on to in those times when things get difficult or confusing or just flat out annoying. Yeah, exactly. Where can people get your book Dormant Faith?
Speaker 2:So it's on Amazon. You can search Dormant Faith, Carrie Honeycutt on Amazon. Or I have a website too, called devotedexplorercom and there's a books tab on the top. There's a few tabs. I talk about different things in faith, fitness and travel on the website and there's also a link to my books.
Speaker 2:And then our work, too, with Go On the Mission is under the faith section too, where you can go to Go On the Mission there and see about the work that they're doing all around the world and what we've been a part of and how we've been able to explore some of these opportunities and include some of these mission trips in our traveling priorities.
Speaker 1:Wonderful. Yeah Well, thank you again, keri, for coming on and sharing all this with me and my audience. We've definitely learned some good tips from you on how to be stronger in our faith and in sharing the Great Commission, which is our calling. Ladies and gentlemen, read the Bible. The Great Commission is in there and it's for all of us. There's no caveats.
Speaker 2:So thank you for reminding us of that. Thank you for having me so much. I've enjoyed our conversation, me too.
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